Curse

Daena · Jun 21, 2006, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by kimahri

I'm sorry to write this, but I've met some quite funny monks lately:
1. Me and some members of my alliance decided to do Arborstone, we decided to try PuG, one monk was from our alliance and one of the best in it. The other one we can call "G". We started the mission and after a while I noticed that we didn't get much heal and the only one who seemed to be healing was the alliance monk. I looked at G and what was he doing? Well, spamming flare and heal party. Was a good laugh, we made it anyway till the end.

2. Yesterday me and a guildie decided to rush through most of the missions or at least till HzH, so after a couple of hours playing we reached Boreas. We put a PuG together and all seemed well, most seemed to know what they were doing until again I noticed we only got heal from one monk. I looked at the other monk and all he was doing ws using healing breeze and Balthazar's Aura, but that's not the worst. He then decided to aggro everything on map even though we were drawing like mad men on the map to tell him to stop and shouting in chat. We made it in the end and got Masters (d'uh).

Please, if you use some wacky build with hardly any heal or protection, please tell before so that we can get another healer/prot aswell.

Ronso

I'm guessing those were both Canthan monks, people who are completely new to GuildWars and probably only have Factions.

I bet in the beginning of GuildWars Prophecies a lot of the monks were spamming healing breeze, flare and other unuseful spells lol but we all learned over time.
Still is funny tho

Pro-Monk · Jun 21, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

LOL, a year after the OP and it's still as pertinent as ever. It's really more of a commentary on PUG's, but as a class Monks seem to get abuse more often, whether they're good or bad.

I don't party up much, but when I do, if there's abuse of myself or others, I bail. If the abuse gets to rancid I screenie and put in a Violation Report. So, I totally agree that it doesn't do anyone any good to stay in a group where one or more player are exhibiting bad behavior. I also think that's why Anet never implemented a "leaver's" penalty, though many have requested it. Why should I help someone through a mission or quest if they obiviously don't appreciate my contribution?

CyberMesh0 · Jun 21, 2006, 11:50 AM // 11:50

I'd have to say there's plenty of flaming and demeaning of monks, some of which is warranted and some is not. But at least for the most part if they do great they're recognized for it. Take for example the group I had yesterday for the last two Prophecies missions. We had a great group- 2 SS, 2 experienced monks, two wars, a mes, and a ranger, I think >_<. Breezed through Abaddon's like it was the Great Northern Wall. We got to HP and were all gung-ho about finishing HP as well since we had such a great group.

Well we had to switch out a few people, including one of the monks. So we start the mission, and our new second monk immediately bites the dust and we're generally doing really crappy. After about his third or fourth death we realize he's a 55, since he wouldn't ping his health when asked and he's just generally ignoring us. The guy finally quits and we go on to finish most of the mission (with minor difficulty I might add) with just 1 monk. It's amazing how much of a difference one idiot can make. Kudos to the other monk (and the entire team) for picking up the slack so well ^ ^ This guy really knew what he was doing and we couldn't have done it without him.

Viruzzz · Jun 21, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

Player: you need to learn better energy management and learn your skills
Me: ok…I’ll start by not healing and rezing you!!
Player: why are you standing there?
Me. Perfecting my energy management.

that made me laugh.

I try to give people warnings..
the first time they do something i don't like. after battle i tell them that if i see them doing it again, i will not be healing them.
and lets just say i have had times where i have not been healing anyone but myself because of those reasons..

a few days ago in Boreas seabed i was monking, and the 3rd group with Argo was our next target. some guy runs in, and gets killed instantly by one spell, (later figured out he was running with 4 superior runes..) and he complained that he didn't get healed. i may not be the best monk around, but i don't really think anyone can stop you from dying if you get 1-shotted, i can't predict who argo is going to fire his insane spells at, especially not with 3 other elementalists nuking the rest of my party

raven214 · Jun 21, 2006, 12:30 PM // 12:30

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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

Dear god, I didn't even notice- this started on the eighth of June LAST year. Talk about beating a dead horse..

Holy crap, I didn't notice that either! lol It's not really a dead horse though..... the issue is just as relevant and alive as it was a year ago, unfortunately...

Monking is a demanding job. If all goes well, u might get a ty or two. If all goes wrong, you're one of the first to be blamed - regardless of rushers, needless aggro'ers, poor team communication, etc, etc.

Matsumi · Jun 21, 2006, 01:58 PM // 13:58

I think it's quite funny that a thread gets started (even though a year ago), for venting purposes, and what's some of the responses it gets? lol

A) Learn energy management (good idea)
B) Who the hell do you think you are? (somebody that plays GW?)
C) Who said the monk class was special? (nobody, but it came up in your post for some reason)
D) You think a monk can only be played by somebody with 1337 skills? (Uhh, nope, but obviously you're 1337, so tell us about it)
E) They're abusing you because you're a crappy monk (I don't think you play a monk)
F) The monk protest (lol, sorry, but I never attended one, don't believe in it)
G) Monks with tats are crappy monks (really?)
H) Do you think the world revolves around you? I play with henches because I hate people. (wow, really? So, who thinks the world revolves around them again?)
I) Monks are elitist snobby jerks. (Why? because there was a thread created to vent out frustrations towards this kind of thing?)
J) You monks think your special or something? What about the wammos? (What about them? They've started numerous threads that I've seen too, venting their frustrations. Go cry in those. And is crying about something concidered thinking your special or elite?)
K) Nobody EVER complains about MY monk skills, EVER. Nobody EVER dies on my team, and I NEVER have a problem with energy, EVER. I recieve compliments all the time from everyone on my impressive monking abilities. So, maybe you other monks just suck, face it. (Ahahahahaha! Good one, let's hear some more stories of these monks)
L) Charging for missions (sorry, never believed in it. Those are probably the monks that need to "get over" themselves, and think they're special.)

Ya, I don't recieve crap all the time either (in fact, it's rather seldom), but I know the type of people the OP is referring to. They usually are complainers from the very start, over the smallest crap. Nothing satisfies them through the whole mission, and they keep typing useless garbage in the team chat, while on auto-attack. No group is ever good enough for them, and everyone sucks and is a noob. Those are the people that need to play with henches imo. If you hate people that bad, and think the monks (or anyone) are your personal b@#$&es, and that you're superior to everyone. Please, do everyone a favor and go play with henches. Your contribution to everyone in the group is just going to be garbage anyway, and probably make some people leave. In pugs, you pretty much have to accept the fact that there is going to be human error a lot more than usual, and nobody is perfect, not even you. 8 different people, 8 different builds, will they work perfectly together? Probably not, but maybe, just maybe...

Priest Of Sin · Jun 21, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

awww.... but I like monks with tats...
*runs and cries in the corner*

Forbes · Jun 21, 2006, 03:26 PM // 15:26

I've been playing a monk for quite a long time now. I crated one like many others, because they were in short supply. So I was probably crappy when I started out (just like when I started every other character). But I've gotten pretty good at it by now.

I have gotten the occasional snide comment, but nothing too terrible, and have seen the same thing as other people (mostly people charging into and aggroing too many at a time, as well as casters rushing in as well). But I also get positive comments as well. I actually enjoy PUG monking, you never know what you are going to get. Keeps you on your toes. Though I am pretty laid back, so any (bad) comments I get really don't bother me, I find it actually amusing at times.

The other thing I like about the monk is since you aen't busy dealing the damage, it gives you chance to sit back and look at group dynamics and the overall strategy. It's a great way to watch how other people play, very interesting. A good profession if you like to people watch.

I've also noticed that there are many monks who are too high on themselves (but probably not more than in any other class), maybe because they think they are all that, or monks are in short supply so they can get away with it. Too many in my opinion.

bete · Jun 21, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Nothing better to have in a party than a really good monk. Conversly nothing worse than a good monk that crys constantly or worse, berates other players.

I know you guys need a rest after a fight but as an MM I'd ask you to go at 50% energy so I can keep half my horrors. If you insist on fully recharging don't cry when degen has wiped out my horde.

You guys are not the only ones that can be snitty and quit in hopes of hurting the party. I could quit after a brawl and leave your whiny, energy depleted butt with 10 fresh masterless horrors

Beat_Go_Stick · Jun 21, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

To the OP

The OP posted this last June

Btw, Blood Kreation, from where in hell did you dig up this thread? It's amusing to see that nothing has changed but jeez...

taffette · Jun 21, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

I got so fed up of people being annoying/charging in/abusive that I gave up joining PUGs and now only use my monk for Guildies as I find that they're generally more grateful lol!

On an aside, I don't think people who abuse the monks have ever played one - if they had they'd shut up...

Bleidd · Jun 21, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Good thing all the Monks are perfect. And granting us mere mortals a favour by gracing us with their divine presence.

Seriously though. If there's anything to be "Sick and Tired of," its these almost bi-weekly posts about how rough a certain profession has it. Its not any worse or better for anyone else. If you want to bail on a group, by all means. You're not required to complete any mission or quest in this game. And you're just as easily replaced with the henchbots as anyone else.

Now go back to playing whack-a-mole with the party health bars and give it a rest. oO

Merlin Munk · Jun 21, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

I Have the same probl with some ppl just yelling at me, But i just ignore them no heal or res, and when they 60 dp they leave and i am happy. Kinda hard if whole team is like that but it was them complaining and leaveing not me. A tip for all monks who get tierd of complaints, go smite insted for a while. Its sometimes more fun and u not responsible for teammembers who rush in and die. I always start my build as smite and if and when someone is behaveing, i dont mean kiss ass , but just behaveing I can change too protector or healer.

Anyway Thats How I deal with it.
Works for me.

Have fun and behave too all in teams, not just monks

Merlin Munk

Mayh3m · Jun 21, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Lmao!! They Came From Tyria For Sure!

Skuld · Jun 21, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Sweetest

see the warrior with ... or dragon? - Bad warrior
see the monk in tats ? -Bad Monk

people have riduculous secondaries (Mo/r , W/Rt, A/X, etc) - bad player

Very shortsighted midear -_-

Evilsod · Jun 21, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Wow he'd love my Monk... He has full tats AND goes Mo/E for no apparent reason

Well. actually i was trying out the GoR Divine Spirit build. My warrior has 3 pieces of Knights armour on (helm included), i bought it before i knew it was global, but i honestly don't give a shit...

Viruzz, i agree, in fact i think i'm gonna use what you quoted the next time i'm on my Monk in a Pug. Although since i joined my new guild its been either guild/alliance teams or henchman (mainly henchman for anything but masters).

Vahn Roi · Jun 22, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Today in the Frost Gate I met two monks

One was a Mo/W that was convinced he could tank "just as good as any warrior." He was wearing starter armor

The other was a Mo/R, also wearing starter armor who used a bow and used Heal Area when she was under attack.

Both of these colorful characters made me want to pull my hair out :|

It took my 5 tries becuase of newbie monks to beat that mission, but eventually I did.

Carth` · Jun 22, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by bete

You guys are not the only ones that can be snitty and quit in hopes of hurting the party.

People must have really sucky connections, or the err 7 problem must be really bad (I've never had it), or they just get bored easily or have early bed times.

I've never left a group, I am always there at the end when we decide it's pointless because we can't do enough damage. Note that it's not pointless because people die, in fact the more people leave, the better I keep the team alive (less to heal right

), but if too many leave, or a key character leaves, we just can't win because when we encounter a character that heals itself, we can't do enough damage to kill it - talking about places like FoW here where those monks spam a good heal area etc. With only 3 characters that don't have enough damage output we can't get far.

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Originally Posted by Merlin Munk

I Have the same probl with some ppl just yelling at me, But i just ignore them no heal or res, and when they 60 dp they leave and i am happy. Kinda hard if whole team is like that but it was them complaining and leaveing not me. A tip for all monks who get tierd of complaints, go smite insted for a while. Its sometimes more fun and u not responsible for teammembers who rush in and die. I always start my build as smite and if and when someone is behaveing, i dont mean kiss ass , but just behaveing I can change too protector or healer.

Anyway Thats How I deal with it.
Works for me.

What a really great attitude.

Try another class maybe, you might not get yelled at and resort to refusing to heal.

xiao1985 · Jun 22, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

to have my 5c on the topic:

i am a tyria mo, and while i was lvl17 (i am now lvl20) i went to cantha in hope to get more exp to level to 20... we are doing finding the oracle or s th like that... we have two mo's in team, one's me, the other's this lvl20 mo, and just typical that we got 1 w/mo who are... well let's say particularly BRAVE and HOT HEADED...

he rushes into battle , engaging one enemy even when there are like 2 boss, 20 other afflicted/am fah in area... keepin him alive was one of the biggest task i had in the past (not to mention the other mobs jsut breaks teh front line and charges at us)... so we all died and the w/mo started blamin the lvl20 mo (dunno why didn't he blame me... cuz he prolly think i am lvl17 and are useless (btw, this is when me, the other mo, w/mo, some assassin all died a rit and a r are left)

w/mo: OMG, CANT U DO A MO JOB WELL
mo: well if u don't aggro too many we won't be in this crap
w/mo: if u had being a better mo, we won't in this crab

bla bla bla

then we all got rezzed and they are still arguing... i was like OMG can u plz stop?! it's none of ours fault... we all died cuz of all our's fault... so cap it... and let's get on mission ... we are all in this together...

the w/mo was like "amilia is twice the better monk than u are, even tho she's only lvl17"
i went totally O.o

an other instance is when we are doing elona's reach... failed twice with PUG's... this time, the warr/mo (lvl15 mind u) saw the timer and go OMG OMG we better hurry... so he rushed in to grab the crystal, whilst the remaining of the grp engages the mob between us... so i have to run into to get him healed, just to see him has all kinds of colour (pink for hex, blood red for bleeding and a green up arrow for my ench on him) then i got hit by n stone daggers and fell...

but then, being a mo is so much of an experience when PUG'ed a good group.... 4th time (me thinks) i tried, i PUG'd all good players, all of them knows their roles, we pwnd the mission + bonus in time... i was like WOOT...

KamikazeChicken · Jun 22, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

It took my 5 tries becuase of newbie monks to beat that mission, but eventually I did.

That's when you give up on people and use hench. :\